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韓国人団体の活動による勝利ニダ!!! ⇒ オーストラリア次期潜水艦候補からそうりゅう級が外れた??? by 韓国の反応
韓国の掲示板に「オーストラリア次期潜水艦選定から日本脱落?」というスレッドがあったので紹介します。
オーストラリア次期潜水艦選定から日本脱落?
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引用：https://milidom.net
https://goo.gl/nlDJYH
>>>記事の翻訳
オーストラリア公営ABC放送によると、次期潜水艦入札で日本の提案が落選したことはほぼ確実だと言っています。来週中に出てくる最終的な結果では、ドイツやフランスの提案が選択されるらしいです。詳細については、元の記事を参照してください。
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-20/submarines-announcement-expected-next-week/7340996
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-20/submarines-announcement-expected-next-week/7340996
Submarine deal: Successful bid for
new Royal Australian Navy boats to be announced next week
The ABC understands Cabinet's National Security Committee discussed the three international bids for the $50 billion contract last night.
While it is not clear if the committee has made a final decision, it has all but eliminated the Japanese bid to build a fleet of 12 submarines to replace the Royal Australian Navy's ageing Collins Class subs.
That leaves France and Germany still in the race.
Defence department officials have had reservations about the Japanese bid from the outset, because it emerged as an understanding struck between former prime minister Tony Abbott and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
Officials feared there was less enthusiasm in the Japanese bureaucracy for the deal and that would undo it in the long run.
The Japanese bid has been pushed by some US officials who raised the prospect that America might not allow its most advanced combat systems to be installed in the European subs.
The Government is now convinced that is not that case and one senior source said President Barack Obama had made it clear to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull the submarine deal was a sovereign issue for Australia and there would be no implications for the alliance, no matter which bidder won.
This morning Mr Turnbull was not prepared to confirm whether the decision would be announced prior to the election.
"It will be made in due course, it will be made shortly," he told Adelaide radio station FIVEaa.
"I'm not going to be drawn on dates."
But with South Australian MPs and senators sweating on the announcement there is a small window in which it can be made.
There is currently a Japanese submarine in Sydney Harbour and the Government will not make any statement until it clears Australian waters.
The budget is on May 3 and shortly after that the Prime Minister will ask the Governor-General for an election and no major decisions can be made in the caretaker period.
The new submarine project has been embroiled in politics from the outset with the deal between prime ministers Abbott and Abe sparking fears in South Australia that it would lose its shipbuilding industry.
The political pressure on the Government did not dissipate, even after all three bidders made it clear the subs could be built entirely, or substantially, in Adelaide.
It has been a political gift for popular independent senator Nick Xenophon, who is running candidates in Lower House seats in South Australia at the July election.
Coalition MPs and senators in that state have been pressing the Government for a decision to try to stem the political bleeding that threatens several seats.
The window for the announcement has narrowed to next week, ahead of the budget.
Years of campaigning before announcement
The South Australian campaign to secure the submarine construction work for the state has been underway for about two years, Premier Jay Weatherill said yesterday.
Earlier this year the Defence White Paper revealed the Government planned to order 12 new vessels as part of its future submarine program.
Mr Weatherill said a submarine announcement would be needed before the election to help Liberal Industry, Innovation and Science Minister Christopher Pyne retain the SA seat of Sturt at the federal election.
"I hope Christopher and the team are able to get that organised before the federal election is announced because I think it would be politically suicidal for him not to do so," Mr Weatherill said.
The Liberals need to commit to building the next generation of submarines in Adelaide to avoid a potential voting backlash at the looming federal poll, a politics analyst said.
Professor in politics and international studies Carol Johnson, of the University of Adelaide, said there were electoral risks for the Liberals if Adelaide did not fare well from the submarines project.
"The problem is that the submarines are not only important for their build but also because of some of the high-tech components in it, so potentially it will still be damaging to the Liberals if they just have the ship build [offshore patrol vessels] and not the submarines as well," she said.
new Royal Australian Navy boats to be announced next week
The ABC understands Cabinet's National Security Committee discussed the three international bids for the $50 billion contract last night.
While it is not clear if the committee has made a final decision, it has all but eliminated the Japanese bid to build a fleet of 12 submarines to replace the Royal Australian Navy's ageing Collins Class subs.
That leaves France and Germany still in the race.
Defence department officials have had reservations about the Japanese bid from the outset, because it emerged as an understanding struck between former prime minister Tony Abbott and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
Officials feared there was less enthusiasm in the Japanese bureaucracy for the deal and that would undo it in the long run.
The Japanese bid has been pushed by some US officials who raised the prospect that America might not allow its most advanced combat systems to be installed in the European subs.
The Government is now convinced that is not that case and one senior source said President Barack Obama had made it clear to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull the submarine deal was a sovereign issue for Australia and there would be no implications for the alliance, no matter which bidder won.
This morning Mr Turnbull was not prepared to confirm whether the decision would be announced prior to the election.
"It will be made in due course, it will be made shortly," he told Adelaide radio station FIVEaa.
"I'm not going to be drawn on dates."
But with South Australian MPs and senators sweating on the announcement there is a small window in which it can be made.
There is currently a Japanese submarine in Sydney Harbour and the Government will not make any statement until it clears Australian waters.
The budget is on May 3 and shortly after that the Prime Minister will ask the Governor-General for an election and no major decisions can be made in the caretaker period.
The new submarine project has been embroiled in politics from the outset with the deal between prime ministers Abbott and Abe sparking fears in South Australia that it would lose its shipbuilding industry.
The political pressure on the Government did not dissipate, even after all three bidders made it clear the subs could be built entirely, or substantially, in Adelaide.
It has been a political gift for popular independent senator Nick Xenophon, who is running candidates in Lower House seats in South Australia at the July election.
Coalition MPs and senators in that state have been pressing the Government for a decision to try to stem the political bleeding that threatens several seats.
The window for the announcement has narrowed to next week, ahead of the budget.
Years of campaigning before announcement
The South Australian campaign to secure the submarine construction work for the state has been underway for about two years, Premier Jay Weatherill said yesterday.
Earlier this year the Defence White Paper revealed the Government planned to order 12 new vessels as part of its future submarine program.
Mr Weatherill said a submarine announcement would be needed before the election to help Liberal Industry, Innovation and Science Minister Christopher Pyne retain the SA seat of Sturt at the federal election.
"I hope Christopher and the team are able to get that organised before the federal election is announced because I think it would be politically suicidal for him not to do so," Mr Weatherill said.
The Liberals need to commit to building the next generation of submarines in Adelaide to avoid a potential voting backlash at the looming federal poll, a politics analyst said.
Professor in politics and international studies Carol Johnson, of the University of Adelaide, said there were electoral risks for the Liberals if Adelaide did not fare well from the submarines project.
"The problem is that the submarines are not only important for their build but also because of some of the high-tech components in it, so potentially it will still be damaging to the Liberals if they just have the ship build [offshore patrol vessels] and not the submarines as well," she said.
>>>韓国人のコメント
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https://milidom.net/news/292860
http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=kancolle&no=3916218&page=44
韓国人
特に驚くべきことではないような･･･
特に驚くべきことではないような･･･
韓国人
まさか･･･ 日本の潜水艦まで現地に行って広報したのに、結果に繋がらなかったのか･･･
韓国人
米国が怒るんじゃないのか?
韓国人
他のソースや本文でも一様に日本が思ったより意欲がなかったという話をしています。トップレベルとは異なり、実務級レベルでは特に力の入った提案ではなかったようですね。
韓国人
日本は自尊心が台無しですね。欧州の方が輸出に慣れていたとは言え、潜水艦の建造と運用面では日本は世界的な国家というイメージが強いはずなのに･･･
韓国人
カヌーでさえ国内ではまともに作れないと一喝して壮烈な戦死をとげた、勇気ある前オーストラリア国防部長官にXキーを押して弔意を表わしましょう!!!
韓国人
XXXXXXXXXXXXX（オーストラリア風ブルースクリーン）
韓国人
米国にとって最友好国だが、米国製ではなく、NH-90も使って、A330MRTTも使う国だからね
韓国人
オーストラリアが日本の潜水艦を導入してくれたら、我が国に寄港したとき潜水艦の中と性能を見物できたのに･･･
韓国人
ふふふふふふふふふふふふふふふふふふ
韓国人
そうりゅう級はディーゼル式潜水艦の中では、最高のパフォーマンスの船なのに???
韓国人
オーストラリアが望むのは3000トン級在来式潜水艦ではなかったのか? これに適合する潜水艦がそうりゅう級以外にあるのか?
韓国人
オーストラリアの領海は広いため、大型の従来式潜水艦を臨んでいたはずだが･･･ またペーパープランを選択してコリンズ級の悪夢を再現する気か･･･
韓国人
オーストラリア南部の韓国人団体による圧力によって、条件がより良いヨーロッパの提案に乗り換えたんです。
コメント
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265474 | 2016/04/21(木) 13:52:20 | URL |私は除鮮に参加します #-豪次期潜水艦への日本提案が退けられた/後退した/仏独有利...etc
って言う豪からの報道は昨年秋口からしょっちゅうだけどねw
独有利、独後退が連発して報道されたりww
ま、ターンブル与党が7月議会解散総選挙を決めたんで、元来今年中に次期潜水艦選定決定を行う予定が総選挙前に前倒しになった
早ければ今月29日に決定発表、又は二社に絞る発表を行うらしい
日本案が採用されないとなれば、それは中国の影響が増大したこと(日本を退けたい中国勝利)を意味するため痛し痒しではある...
まあ、アボットのときは日本製購入でありながら、豪現地製作・技術移転・技術者教育まで譲歩してやってもまだ寄越せ(値段安くしろ！)の豪には肘鉄食らわせたいのが個人的感想
【豪潜水艦、日本脱落？ 指摘された「熱意・経験不足」の意味とは？ 発表は29日か】更新日：2016年4月21日
＞「どうしても獲得したい」という「意気込み」を、金額など条件面で見せなかったということではないか。
ttp://newsphere.jp/world-report/20160421-1/ -
265541 | 2016/04/21(木) 18:07:56 | URL |私は除鮮に参加します #-ドイツを選べば良いんじゃないですかね、全てオーストラリアで製造＆組み立てだし、後々のメンテを考えれば最適
（ドイツ側も受取拒否対策としては最適だし）
ドイツも今苦しい立場なので、破格の条件を出すはず
これでもし、派遣されてくる技術者がコリンズ級でお馴染みの人だったりしたら、最高ですねｗ（確かドイツの企業に吸収されてたよね）
そうりゅう型なんて、オージーが自前で用意出来るレベルの原材料では、本来の性能に遠く及ばない
宝の持ち腐れだろう
中国の破綻は避けようもないけど、EUまで同時に破綻されちゃいい迷惑、時間差を付ける為にもここはドイツに譲りましょう
それで全て winwin -
265571 | 2016/04/21(木) 18:58:19 | URL |ななしさん #-個人的には破格の条件提示を懸念していた
そうりゅう型の本来の性能を発揮するには現地生産は基本的に無理。コリンズ級の二の舞にしないように、少なくとも数隻は完成品輸出にすべきだった
またモンキーモデルではなくフルスペックモデルの技術全て供与みたいな話になっていたうえ、予算の一部を米軍の装備に取られるので採算も怪しくなっていた
こういう日本にメリットの少ない提案にも関わらず拒否されたのだから、これは豪の決定に感謝すべきだろう
もっとも、再びまともに使えない潜水艦を建造するのかと豪の将来を心配してしまう・・・
>オーストラリア南部の韓国人団体による圧力によって、条件がより良いヨーロッパの提案に乗り換えたんです。
ほう？
仮にそんなことがあったとすれば、その韓国人団体とやらに礼を言わなければならないな。
日本の国防技術を守ってくれてありがとうｗｗ